by Johnny Satan
War, death, all hidden under that lie. Actually, there’s no such thing as suffering. That’s just another piece of propaganda the church puts out to make you believe the lie.
Q: Can you tell us what you mean by submission? If we are all one, how can you justify being a leader?
C.M: There is only One. I’m the One. Me is first. I don’t care about you. I’m not thinking what other people think, I just do what my soul tells me. People said I was a leader. Here’s the kind of leader I was. I made sure the toilets were clean. I made sure the animals were fed. Any sores on the horses? I’d heal them. Anything need fixing? I’d fix it. I was always the one to do everything nobody else wanted to do. Cats need feeding? I’d feed them. When it was cold, I was always the last one to get a blanket. Pretty soon I’d be sitting on the porch, and I’d think. ‘I’ll go and do this or that.’ And one of the girls would say, ‘No, let me.’
You’ve got to give up, lie down and die for other people, then they’ll do anything for you. When you are willing to become a servant for other people, they want to make you a master. In the end, the girls would just be dying to do something for me. I’d ask one of them to make a shirt for me and she’d be just thrilled because she could do something for me.
They’ll work twenty-four hours a day if you give them something to do.
I can get along with girls, they give up easier. I can make love to them.
Man has this ego thing [ stiffens up] holding on to his prick. I can’t make love to that. Girls break down easier. Their defenses come down easier.
When you get beyond the ego thing, all you’re left with is you; you make love with yourself. With a girl, you can make love with her until she’s exhausted. You can make love with her until she gives up her mind, then you can make love with love. [Starts to run his hands up and down his body, caressing himself like a stripper, his fingers tingling like a faith healer in a trance. They dance all over his body.] You climax with every move you make, you climax with every step you take. The breath of love you breathe is all you need to believe. [Pulls a thousand postures from the air. He squirms, stiffens, anguishes with ecstasy.] Oooooh, aaaaaaah, ughhhn! Your beard, it feels soooo good, mmmmmmm! [His fingers, with half-inch long nails, fondle his own face, his stubbly chin, impersonating the hands of an unseen lover, making love with himself.]
Your beard feels sooo good, mmmmmm, yes it does. It all comes from the father into the woman. [Suddenly assumes his teaching position.]
See, it’s because I am a bastard that I can accept the truth. Hell, I am my father! The Father...The Son... [Withdraws in mock terror from some imaginary host of accusers, pushing them away, pushing the thought away with extended hands] No, no, NO...it’s not me...you’ve got it all wrong. I’m not—you couldn’t think that! I don’t know what you’re talking about. Listen, I’ll get a job. [Continues fighting his phantom, then giggles.] See, the cop-out is Christianity. If you believe in Christianity, you don’t have to believe in Christ. Get a job and you won’t have to think about it at all. The whole thing is set up to get you involved in their game. For instance, I can tell you something about yourself. You don’t need those glasses. You’re wearing them because you were told you needed them. Your mother told you. Children’s eyes, you know, fluctuate between the ages of 12 and 16. So they start saying you need glasses, and pretty soon, after you’ve been wearing them for a while, you do need them. It’s just another gimmick to make money. It’s like when someone is dying, they call the doctor in. What do you need a doctor to die for? George, you know George Spahn? He’s not blind. He just talked himself into it. He’d be sitting in front of the television, and his wife would come in and say, ‘George, you’re sitting awfully close to that set. Are you sure your eyes are OK?’ And he’s just got to thinking in the back of his mind, ‘If I were blind, I wouldn’t have to get up and go to work every day. I could just sit in my big armchair and let people take care of me.’ So finally his eyes started to get dimmer, and he finally went blind. But it was his soul who blinded him. Being in jail protected me in a way from society. I was inside, so I couldn’t take part, play the games that society expects you to play. I’ve been in jail 22 years, the most I was out was maybe six months. I just wasn’t contaminated. I kept my innocence. I got so I actually loved solitary. That was supposed to be punishment. I loved it. There is nothing to do in prison anyway, so all they can get you to do is ‘Get up! Sit down!’ So solitary was great. I began to hear music inside my head. I had concerts inside my cell. When the time came for my release, I didn’t want to go. Yeah, man, solitary was beautiful.
Q: What did you mean when you once said God and Satan are the same person?
C.M: If God is One, what is bad? Satan is just God’s imagination. Everything I’ve done for these nineteen hundred and seventy years is now in the open. I went into the desert to confess to God about the crime, I, you, Man has committed for 2,000 years. And that is why I’m here. As a witness. I have been avoiding the cross for nineteen hundred and seventy years. Nineteen hundred and seventy nails in the cross. I was meant to go up on the cross willingly. All the wars, all the deaths, all the hunger of these nineteen hundred and seventy years of blasphemy against Jesus Christ, all the shame and all the guilt, all the torture, they can’t hide it any longer. And unless you are willing to die for your love, you cannot love. Jesus Christ died for your sins and for my sins, and for nineteen hundred and seventy years I have been denying Him. The white man must pay for the deaths of all the Indians that were slaughtered in greed, and now it is time for him to die for them. Hope? You expect hope? [Puts his hands together in prayer.] Ah, yes, there must be a little hope left, yes? [He spits scornfully.] There’s no hope! You make your own world. Hope is the last thing you hang on to. Everyone expects to be saved, saved from their guilt. But they’re not going to be saved. I am not going to take responsibility for society. So I’m here for stolen dune buggies. If it hadn’t been that, it would’ve been something else. They were out to get me, and it was only a matter of time before they found something to pin on me. And they did. First they make the picture and then they fill it in. They create things so they can hide their own guilt. I can only tell you the truth. All my life I’ve been locked up because nobody wanted me. Jail is where they put people they don’t want.
They’ve got nowhere else to go, but no one else wanted them so they got buried alive. They don’t want to be there, but everything has to be on its shelf. Everybody’s got to be somewhere, and somewhere is where people who are nowhere go.
Q: Do you think you are being persecuted as an individual?
C.M: I don’t think about myself as an individual. I just think about my love. Every day I love my world a little more. Love makes you stronger.
They can’t take that away. If a man has given up everything, what can they take away? Those Christian robes that the judge wears are stained with the blood of millions and millions of lives. Christians have defiled the cross. They wore it into battle. They took Christ into war with them and defiled His image. You know, the cells in this jail are filled with blacks, chicanos, people like me. People who never had anything. Did you ever have a bike when you were a kid? I never did. I never had anything. That’s what the system is, it’s self-recurring. It just goes in circles and circles. Take away the criminal and what have you got? This society needs criminals, they need someone to blame everything on.
Q: What do you feel about Judge Keene taking away your pro per privilege?
C.M: The judge is just the flipside of the preacher. He took away my pro per privilege because they don’t want me to speak. They want to shut me up—because they know if I get up on the stand, I am going to blow the whole thing wide open. They don’t want to hear it. That’s why they assigned me this attorney, Hollopeter. He came to see me [mimics a fussy little man shuffling papers], sat down and started fiddling with these papers in his brief case. See, he wouldn’t look me in the eye. They sent me this guy who looks like a mouse. He was hiding behi
nd his briefcase and his important papers. He was saying, ‘Well, Mr. Manson, in your case, etc etc,’ and I said to him, ‘All right, but can you look me in the eye?’ He couldn’t look me in the eye. How can a mouse represent a lion? A man, if he’s a man, can only speak for himself. I said to Judge Keene, ‘Do I speak for you?’ Between you and me, if that judge asks for my life, I’m going to give it to him right there in the courtroom. But first of all he is going to have to deal with my music, the music in my fingers and body. [Demonstrates. His nails tap out an incredible riff on the table, the chair, the glass of the booth, like the scurrying footsteps of some strung-out rodent.] He is going to have to deal with that power. I’m probably one of the most dangerous men in the world if I want to be. But I never wanted to be anything but me. If the judge says death, I am dead.
I’ve always been dead. Death is life. Anything you see in me is in you.
If you want to see a vicious killer, that’s who you’ll see, do you understand that? If you see me as your brother, that’s what I’ll be. It all depends on how much love you have. I am you, and when you can admit that, you will be free. I am just a mirror. Did you see what they did to that guy in the Chicago Seven trial? Hoffman saw in those guys what he wanted to see. That’s why he found them guilty. The white man is fading, everybody knows that. The black man will take over, they can’t stop it. And they won’t be able to stop me either unless they gag me.
Q: Why do you think black people will gain power?
C.M: They were the first people to have power. The Pharaohs were black. The Egyptians took one man and raised him up above the rest.
They put him on the throne and they fed all these lines of energy into him. [Folds his arms across his chest like Tutankhamen, holding his pencil between two fingers like a Pharaoh’s rod.] That means power.
This represents the penis, the power. They built the pyramids with his energy. They were all one in him. All that concentration created a tremendous force. Love built the pyramids. Focusing all that love on one man was like focusing it on themselves. Masons have that power. It’s a secret that’s been handed down since the Pharaohs. the secret wisdom.
Jesus knew the symbols. The preacher and the judge got ahold of the symbols and they kept them to themselves.
Judge Keene uses all those symbols. He’ll make a sign like ‘cut him off.’ Or like when I get up to speak, he’ll make a symbol to one of his marshals, and all of a sudden a whole bunch of people will be let into the court and there will be all this confusion so they can’t hear what I’m saying. They use all those Masonic signs to hold power over their people. So I started using the symbols. Every time I go into court, or have my picture taken, I use another masonic sign. Like the three fingers, two fingers outstretched. When the judge sees it, it really freaks him out because he can’t say anything. When I see them making these signs in court I flash them back at them. They know the symbols of power but they can’t understand it. Power without love is aggression.
There has been no true love since the Pharaohs. Except for J.C. He knew what love meant. Tempt me not. Do you remember the story about Jesus on the hill? You know, this devil takes Him to the edge of this cliff [leans over the table as if perched precariously on the edge of the void] and he says to Him, ‘If you’re God, prove it by jumping off the edge.’ And Jesus says, ‘There ain’t nothing to prove, man.’ When you doubt, your mind is in two parts. It’s divided against itself. See, Christ is saying, ‘Past get behind me.’ The devil is in the past. The devil is the past. What He is saying is, ‘Don’t think.’ He who thinks is lost, because if you have to think about something, to doubt it, you’re lost already. My philosophy is, Don’t think. I don’t believe in the mind that you think and scheme with. I don’t believe in words.
Q: If you don’t believe in words, why do you use so many of them?
C.M: Words are symbols. All I’m doing is jumbling the symbols in your brain. Everything is symbolic. Symbols are just connections in your brain. Even your body is a symbol.
Q: What makes you such a hot lover?
C.M: You spend 20 years in a jail playing with yourself, a woman becomes almost an unbelievable thing to you. It’s like a man in the desert, he’s been in the desert for 20 years, and then he comes across a glass of water. How would you treat that glass of water? It would be pretty precious to you, wouldn’t it?
Q: How can you love and threaten someone at the same time?
C.M: Who did I threaten?
Q: You sent Dennis Wilson a bullet.
C.M: I had a pocket full of bullets, so I gave him one.
Q: Then it wasn’t given as a threat?
C.M: That’s his paranoia. His paranoia created the idea that it was a threat. If you gave me a bullet, I’d wear it around my neck to let them see your love for me. The only thing I’d want to do to Dennis is make love to him. You know, I used to say to him, ‘Look at this flower, Dennis. Don’t you think it’s beautiful?’ And he would say, ‘Look man, I’ve got to go.’ He was always going somewhere to take care of some big deal. What it amounted to is that he couldn’t accept my love. I love him as much as I love myself. I refuse nothing and I ask nothing. It all flows through me.
Q: Can you explain the meaning of Revelations, Chapter 9?
C.M: What do you think it means? It’s the battle of Armageddon. It’s the end of the world. It was the Beatles’ Revolution 9 that turned me onto it. It predicts the overthrow of the Establishment. The pit will be opened, and that’s when it will all come down. A third of all mankind will die.
The only people who escape will be those who have the seal of God upon their foreheads. You know that part, ‘They will seek death but they will not find it’.
Q: How do you know that these things are coming about?
C.M: I’m just telling you what my awareness sees. I look into the future like an Indian on a trail. I know what my senses tell me. I can just see it coming, and when it comes I will say, ‘Hi there!’
Q: Why do you think that this revolution predicted in Revolution 9 will be violent? Why will it be racial?
C.M: Have you heard of the Muslims? have you heard of the Black Panthers? Englishmen, can you remember cutting off the heads of praying Muslims with the cross sewn onto your battledress? Can you imagine it? Well, imagination is the same as memory. You and all Western Man killed and mutilated them and now they are reincarnated and they are going to repay you. The soul in the white man is lying down. They were praying, kneeling in the temple. They did not want war. And the white man came in the name of Christ and killed them all.
Q: Can you explain the prophecies you found in the Beatles’ double album?
C.M: [Starts drawing some lines on the back of a sheet of paper, three vertical lines and one horizontal line. In the bottom area he writes the word SUB.] OK. Give me the names of four songs on the album.
[Piggies, Helter Skelter, Blackbird. He adds Rocky Raccoon, writing the titles at the top of each vertical section. Under Helter Skelter he draws a zigzag line, under Blackbird two strokes, somehow indicating bird sounds.] This bottom part is the subconscious. At the end of each song there is a little tag piece on it, a couple of notes. Or like in Piggies there’s ‘oink, oink, oink’. And all these sounds are repeated in Revolution 9.
Like in Revolution 9, all these pieces are fitted together and they predict the violent overthrow of the white man. Like you’ll hear ‘oink, oink’, and then right after that, machine-gun fire. [Sprays the room with imaginary slugs.] AK-AK-AK-AK-AK-AK!
Q: Do you really think the Beatles intended to mean that?
C.M: I think it’s a subconscious thing. I don’t know whether they did or not. But it’s there. It’s an association in the subconscious. This music is bringing on the revolution, the unorganized overthrow of the Establishment. The Beatles know in the sense that the subconscious knows.
Q: What does Rocky Raccoon mean, then?
C.M: Coon. You know that’s a word they use for black people. You know the line, ‘Gi
deon checked out and he left it no doubt/to help with good Rocky’s revival.’ Rocky’s revival—re-vival. It means coming back to life. The black man is going to come back into power again. ‘Gideon checks out’ means that it’s all written out there in the New Testament, in the Book of Revelations. The Bible also teaches submission. Women were put here to serve men, but only because they are ten times more receptive, more perceptive, than men. The servant is always wiser than the master. You know Cease To Exist? I wrote that for the Beach Boys.
They were fighting among themselves, so I wrote that song to bring them together. ‘Submission is a gift, give it to your brother.’ Dennis has true soul, but his brothers couldn’t accept it. He would go over to Brian’s house and put his arms round his brothers, and they would say, ‘Gee, Dennis, cut it out!’ You know, they could not accept it.
Q: Why do you think Susan Atkins gave that confession?
C.M: Susan is a very aware girl. I think her soul did it. I think her soul worked on her to the point that she did it. Personally I think she did it to put me in the position I’m in so that people could see where I’m at. But do you know who is going to be sacrificed? It’s her. She is going to change her testimony. She’s going to say that she was there, but that I didn’t know anything about it. Even if she wasn’t there, she is going to say it.