Muslims’ claim
43THE POINT OF DEPARTURE OF OUR ODYSSEY & THE BIG BANG
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/08/the-point-of-departureof-our-odyssey/
Qur’an 21:30 “Have not those who disbelieve, that the heavens and the earth were sewn together and made from water every living thing not then believe?”
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First I would like to apologist, we are like repeating our self again,because we answered the claim about the Big-Bang before but we got answer here again.
It’s so clear that Muhammad is making up a story basing his falsification by using Biblical Scriptures. And as always, when a thief tries to cover his theft, he had to make some changes:
Genesis 1:6 - KJV
And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
And that shows in Muhammad’s words as we see in the following hadiths:
Sahih Al-Bukhari, Book 93, Hadith 514, and Sahih Al-Bukhari, Book 54, Hadith 414 “...At the same time, as I was with the Prophet, some people from Bani Tamim approached. Therefore, they said,: “We ask you what the beginning of this universe was.” The Prophet said, “There was Allah and nothing else before Him and His Throne was above the water, and He afterwards created the Heavens and the Earth and wrote everything in the Book...”
Genesis 1:2 - KJV
And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Book of Fath Ul-Ari, Sahih Al-Bukhari, Book of The Beginning of Creation, p. 334, print year 1952. There was nothing but Allah, no water or throne or anything else, and his throne was over the water, meaning that he first created the water then he created the throne over the water. The meaning of this is that he created the water first then he created the throne, then he created the pen. And he said to the pen, write everything being! Then he created the sky and the earth.
This hadith clearly emphasized that the things Allah first created by order were:
1.Water
2.Throne
3.Then the pen
4.The earth
5.The heaven
So does the Big Bang theory accept Allah’s idea of creation? Sure it does not. Therefore, according to Mr. Harun, Muhammad was wrong. As long as Mr. Harun accepted the Big Bang to be a fact, then he needs to accept that his prophet telling a lie is also a fact.
Is that what the Big Bang theory is about? Let us read from the NASA: “The Big Bang model is a broadly theory for the origin and evolution of our universe. It postulates that 12 to 14 billion years ago, the portion of the universe we can see today was only a few millimeters across. It has since expanded from this hot dense state into the vast and much cooler cosmos we currently inhabit. We can see remnants of this hot dense matter as the now very cold cosmic microwave background radiation which still pervades the universe and is visible to microwave detectors as a uniform glow across the entire sky.”
Look here at the manipulation of facts. The verse clearly says “...heavens and the earth were closed together and then We parted them.”
Qur’an 21:30 Have not those who disbelieve, that the heavens and the earth were sewn together and made from water every living thing not then believe?
This is my answer. 1. The Big Bang is a theory, not a fact. Why are they talking as though it's a fact when many scientists don’t accept it, and there's no proof of it?
2.It's a primeval explosion. Did Allah speak about an explosion that created everything at once or was it a 6-day creation?
3.One day for Allah is Equal to 1000 years of our counts Qur'an 22:47 Yusuf Ali translation “47 Yet they ask thee to hasten on the Punishment! But Allah will not fail in His Promise. Verily a Day in the sight of thy Lord is like a thousand years of your reckoning”
This is a copy from the Bible.
Psalm 90:4 (KJV)
“For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.” 2 Peter 3:8 (KJV) “8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.”
So if one day for Allah is 1000 years in our present day count then that will end with 6000 years in most Quran verses and
8000 years in other Qur'an verses. So where is the Big Bang?
4 .The verse speaks about two things – the earth and heaven were initially bounded together and then were separated. This means that the first thing that existed was the earth. The Big Bang theory doesn’t approve of two or even three things to have first existed, but it was one matter that became the universe today, as I have showed you from NASA: (the portion of the universe we can see today was only a few millimeters across. It has since expanded from this hot dense state into the vast and much cooler cosmos we currently inhabit).
5 .Do Muslims accept that the earth, as we can see today, is only a portion of the universe that is only a few millimeters across?
6. This means Allah lied to us when he said in:
Qur’an 25:59
Who created the heavens and the earth in six days and then he (Allah) rose over the Throne the
merciful, ask the expert!
Were the 6 days of Allah mean “postulates 12 to 14 billion of years?” We will see more answers in this verse: Qur’an 41:9
Say, ye really deny Him Who created the earth in two days, and ascribe ye unto Him rivals worlds, that is the lord of the world.
Let us see what Muhammad’s cousin, Ibn Abbas has to say in the following verse:
Say to them O Muhammad: you Disbelieve, O people of Mecca by (Him Who created the earth in two Days) each day equals to 1,000 days of the days of the earth: Sunday, Monday..
see the Muslim site translation yourself http://www.altafsir.com/Tafasir.asp?
tMadhNo=0&tTafsirNo=73&tSoraNo=41&tAyah No=9&tDisplay=yes&UserProfile=0&LanguageId =2
Notice in here Allah’s days start at Sunday. His day-off is Saturday, not Friday! What we see in here are 2 days equating to: Who created the earth in two Days. Each day is equivalent to 1,000 days. Is that what the Big Bang says or does it postulates that 12 to 14 billion of years?
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44WE ARE CREATED OUT OF NOTHING
[2:117]
Originator of the heavens and the earth, and if He decrees a thing He says to it Be! and it is.
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My answer The funny thing is that this is a miracle when a second ago they were telling us about the Big Bang. NASA: “the portion of the universe we can see today was only a few millimeters across. ” So the Big Bang Theory says that out of nothing, the universe existed. Anyway, let us take a look at the verse.
He decrees a thing, He but says to it 'BE', and it is. I challenge all the Muslims in the world to show me one verse where Allah created something, anything, by saying “BE” and it was? The only verse in the Qur’an talking about such creation is this one:
Qur’an 3:59
The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as Adam, He created him from dust, then said, to him, Be, and he was.
This verse proves to us that Allah contradicted himself again. He said, “Be” and it will be. This is how he made Adam. (“He created him from dust, then said, “to him, 'Be', and he was.”) But in another verse Allah says:
Qur’an 17:11
And that man prays for evil the same for good, and the man has no patience (very hasty). Tafsir Ibn Kathir
(And man is ever hasty) It was reported Salman AL FARISY (the Persian), Ibn Abbas here is the story of Adam, peace be upon him, while they are promoting in place before it reaches the Spirit to his feet, and before it arrived to his head, when the spirit reached his brain he sneezed, he said, praise be to Allah! Allah answered, "Have mercy Lord, O Adam," When the spirit arrived his eyes were opened
when the spirit spread on his body he tried to move before the spirit reached to his feet, but he could not, he (Adam) said, “Allah, hurry up before the sunset.”
Allah never did create anything by saying be and it was. The only thing he mentions in the Qur’an is Adam's creation, and as you see, he did not create him by saying a single word as Adam was asking Allah to finish him up before the night falls!
One more verse to clear it all: Qur’an 32:7
Who perfected everything He created, and began the creation of man from clay;
This means there are two steps in for creation:
1. He first created the dust;
2. He made a clay figure; and
3. He breathed into it.
Qur’an 3:59 The similarity of Jesus to Allah is the same as Adam’s. He created him from dust, then said to him: Be, and he was.
This is another mistake in the Qur’an, for Jesus is not in the likeness of Adam as the Qur’an states. As creation is in the Qur’an, Adam was made from clay. Was Jesus too? No. It's a contradiction in the Qur’an itself as Jesus, according to the Qur’an, states that he was not created for he is the Word of God, and the Word of God in Islam, is not a creation. Please read the Qur’anic verse below to show you the contradiction:
Qur’an 3:45
When the angels said, 'O Mary, God gives you good news of a Word from Him, whose name is the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, honored he will be in this world, and the afterlife, he be from those brought close to Allah.
According to the Qur’an Jesus is the Word of God. A Muslim might say: “Well, the verse says he is a word of God, not his word. There is a huge difference.” Then my answer would be: “Great! I have the answer for this!”
In Yousef Ali's translation, we see this: Qur’an 4:171
O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of God aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of God, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in God and His apostles. Say not "Trinity": desist: it will be better for you: for God is one God: Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is God as a Disposer of affairs.
As we see in here, there are two important keys about Jesus: (a) Jesus is an apostle of God.
(b) Jesus is His Word, which Allah bestowed on Mary, and (c) A spirit proceeding from Him.
He (Jesus) the man (the apostle) is the Word of God, not a word. This means Jesus must be God because the Word of God is:
1. Holy, as Qur’an says about Jesus in 19:19: “gift of holy son.”
2. Eternal, for he is alive & never die according to Islam!, All Muslim believe in this as stated in: Qur’an 3:55
“When Allah said: “O Jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself and clear thee of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow thee superior above those who reject faith, until the Day of Resurrection, Then all shall come back unto me, and I will judge between you of the issues which you all disagree."
3. Perfect.
4. Unique, as he is the only one who is born from the Word of God, not from a man. If we take the number one point “holy,” we will see that the Qur’an calls only for one person to be holy and it’s not Muhammad for the Qur’an clearly states that Muhammad is a sinful man. Do you know who it is? The Holy one is Jesus as we will see in Yusuf Ali's translation. My translation would be the same.
Qur’an 19:19
He said, (Allah spirt), I am only a messenger from your Lord, to give to you the gift of a holy son.
Is Muhammad a holy son? To conclude the subject about Allah saying “Be, and it will be,” we have found that this is very false. Allah made Adam in 3 steps; first he had to create the dust then make a man figure out of clay, and then he breathed into the figure.
So if the Qur’an says Jesus was created the same way Adam was, this is an error in the Qur’an proving the Qur’an to be false again.
It’s the same way that the God of the Christians created Adam. If our God created Adam the exact same way, it does not mean that He does not create more important and massive creations in size or nature.
However, we can find that the God of the Christians is the only One who said, be and it was.
Genesis 1:3 - KJV
And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. Genesis 1:6 - KJV
And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
Genesis 1:9 - KJV
And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it
was so. Genesis 1:11 - KJV
And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
I think this is more than enough. If this is a miracle, it's not in their book; it's in the Bible of the Christians and of the Jews.
Let me ask a big question. It's very simple. Does Allah know what he created first?
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45THE MIRACLE OF IRON
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_30.html
Iron is one of the elements highlighted in the Qur’an. In Surat al-Hadid, meaning Iron, we are informed:
And We also sent down iron in which there falsification great force and which has many uses for mankind. (Qur’an 57:25)
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My answer As always, it's a long article talking about science, trying to fool us by mixing things up. The target here is deception! Here's the verse they posted:
Qur’an 57:25
And We also sent down iron in which there falsification great force and which has many uses for mankind.
You may not be able to see how they cut the verse. Do you know how and why the cut was purposely made? What would Mr. Harun lose if he had posted few more words of the verse? He would lose the opportunity to deceive, and then Islam would not be about science anymore!
Qur’an 57:25
We sent our apostles with Clear evidence and sent down with them the Book and the Balance of justice, to guide men for practicing Justice; and We sent down Iron, as a kind of material of mighty war, as well as many benefits for mankind,
Maybe now you see why he covered that part of the verse!
This is of extreme importance to understand the verse, because the verse is not talking about something physically being sent down. It's speaking about what Allah, the god of Muslims, gave to mankind. As you see here, Allah sent the iron for killing first, as a gift to mankind!
Just for the sake of argument, let us assume that the Muslims claim that the Qur’an is speaking of sending physically. This would mean that Allah got it wrong again! How?
Let us read some of the claim again: “5 million years ago. Iron-60 is a radioactive isotope of iron, formed in supernova explosions, which decays with a half life of 1.5 million years. An enhanced presence of this isotope in a geologic layer indicates the recent nucleosynthesis of elements nearby in space and their subsequent transport to the earth (perhaps as part of dust grains).40
This is something that happened 5 millions years ago! But it says Allah sent the prophets and books, and then he sent the iron.
Qur’an 57:25
We sent our apostles with Clear evidence and sent down with them the Book and the Balance of justice, to guide men for practicing Justice; and We sent down Iron, as kind of material of mighty war, as well as many benefits for mankind,
(فارعلا ةروس , Al-Araf, Qur’an 7:26:
Oh off springs of Adam we sent down upon your clothes to cover the awful of yourselves and feathering, as cloth of modesty that is for your finest and your benefit as a manifestation from Allah maybe you would remember.
Is it true that Allah sent down clothes to us from the sky, as w
ell as featherings? For sure the Muslims will say, “Oh, this is metaphorical.” It's going to be funny to say that right? Let's say that one day a Japanese scientist named Yama I do Lie Yama found underwear or some clothes falling down from the sky out of space five million years ago. Then it would not be metaphorical anymore. This is just the Muslims’ game of deception. We move on.
46What about Geometrical Values of The Arabic Alphabet
The word “hadid”, which means “iron”, appears in the Qur’an in many chapters, as we see in:
1. Did Allah give the Qur’an its orders or numbers? The answer is no. The fact is that the first chapter of the Qur’an is chapter 96. It was done by the Khalifa Uthman who had ordered many men to collect the Qur’an and give it numbers as the Bible does. None of these numbers and divisions of the Qur’an verses and chapters are from Allah as all Muslims would agree with.
2. The real number of the verse is 94 as send by revelation order but because Muslims played with their book in today Qur'an its 57.
3. In the Qur’an translated by Yusuf Ali, in the commentary to his translation, (chapter 80:13) print year 1934, vol. 13: “At the time this Sura (80:13) was revealed, there were perhaps only about 42 or 45 Suras in the hands of the Muslims.” This means that chapter 80 should’ve been chapter 41 as the proper order.
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4. Tafsir Al-Qur’an by Ibn Kathir, Vol. 1, p. 48, says: I heard Suleyman saying: “why did you place in the beginning of the Qur’an when the Chapter of the Cow (chapter 2 in today’s Qur’an) and Al 'Imran (chapter 3 in today’s Qur’an) when in fact there are more than EIGHTY chapters before it?”
http://www.islamweb.net/newlibrary/display_book.php? flag=1&bk_no=49&ID=5
5. Reading this following hadith will give more proof: “Reported by Abdullah Ibn Abi Mas'ud, he said,: The Chapters of Bani Israel, Al-Kahf, Mariyam, Taha and Al-Al-Anbiya are from the very first old chapters which I learned by heart, and they are my first possessions.” (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Book 60, Hadith 263).
This means the first chapters of the Qur’an are:
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