by Nancy Lieder
In tightly controlled countries like China, where the populace is intelligent but access to news around the world
limited to what the government wants the populace to know, each local is to believe that their local is afflicted,
as occurs during normal times, and the big picture will elude the poor citizenry until the last moments.
Countries that care for their citizenry, in general, will find heavy discussion in the news, the talk shows, where
many elements are brought to the discussion table and many theories presented. What this is to show the
populace is that their establishment cares, is seeking answers, but has none. This is reassuring to the populace in
that they see the pain in the faces around the table, and themselves cannot come up with the answer. Will the
coming passage, with our predictions, be presented? Only occasionally, but the ZetaTalk explanation, along with
countering information such as Sitchin's way-out-there dates and scientists stating that an inbound brown dwarf
could simply not travel fast enough to support a 2003 passage. Thus, these countries will provide their citizenry
with information, and allow them to make up their own minds. We anticipate Scandinavian countries, in
particular Sweden, will be open. Surprisingly, Italy, the home of the Pope. And New Zealand, and certainly
France, the rebel country.
This is our current assessment of the establishment approach to explanations, beyond what is currently being
presented, i.e. Global Warming. As the Earth changes become intense, and the populace frantic and their governments
drunk with confusion and fear, other approaches may emerge, we predict. Leaks will come out as to the real cause,
and the devastation to expect. Given greater information in the public's hands, sites such as Troubled Times, as we
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have predicted, will find themselves suddenly inundated with mass interest. Get ready!
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ZetaTalk: Around the Globe
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ZetaTalk: Around the Globe
Note: written during the Apr 13, 2002 Live ZetaTalk IRC Session.
The issues facing the Bush Administration are not unlike those facing all other governments, except for certain
awareness of the coming event. With or without the inside track on Planet X and the potential of a coming pole shift,
all governments are faced with the following concerns:
When to tell.
This involves determining with some degree of certainty that a pole shift, or even a close passage, will occur. In
that those countries, which are few, and in that those individuals in those countries aware, which are likewise a
close group of small numbers, are not the majority of countries, most countries are hesitant to say anything. Even in those countries where the leadership is aware, and watching the inbound planet increase in size in accordance
with our predictions, they hesitate for the following reasons.
1. The orbit and path and speed of the inbound planet, per ourselves, the Zetas, are so outside of
human understanding of astrophysics.
2. The argument that a wrong warning can do more damage than waiting, keeps those who would issue
a warning in check.
What to tell.
The issue of what a crust shift would mean, what direction, what speed, what impact on coast lines, is so much
in doubt among scientists discussing this that the political leadership hardly knows what to say. Should they just
relay what ZetaTalk states? This results in so much heated debate that it never moves forward. Since the
leadership does not know what to say, in explaining what they expect to happen, they cannot move forward and
fall mum.
What to advise.
Even should the leadership of a country decide that they must say something in warning, and at least can explain
the various theories about potential impact, they are left with the issue of what to advise. Even good hearted
leadership might be stymied if there is nothing the populace can do, in the main, to save itself.
What would the leadership of India say, for instance? You could leave the country but no one will
take you, so prepare to die? They feel their countrymen are already in this position, so why repeat
the message.
What would the leadership of European countries say? Invade your neighbor in the highlands? This
would be considered inciting war, or riot, and if the pole shift did not occur the person would have
many regrets. The bottom line is that unless a country has options, and feels they might be able to
support their citizens, they are unlikely to speak out at all. In countries where the citizenship is
sparsely aware of the outside world, little will thus be said. Droughts or deluges, starvation, all will
be treated as episodes have in the past, acts of God or Nature or whatever.
In Africa, starvation and dictators and savage competition for leadership will continue up to and
through the shift. After this, as we have predicted, decimation will occur due to the continual drizzle
creating a climate suitable for the Ebola type viruses, which live in swamps. This will create such
massive dieoff in Africa that in future, several decades forward, survivors wandering into this area
or migrating there will think this a virgin land.
In South America, there are countries ruled by elite who scarcely care for their populace, and these
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will gradually change over death of those inclined toward Service-to-Self and increasing incarnation
of Service-to-Other oriented spirits. In contrast to the elite, most often from European and Nazi
heritage, there are the local Indian cultures, which will grow in influence. Thus, several decades in
the future, a new visitor to this continent will find the Indian cultures dominant, with tales of the
prior savage leadership only a tale to be told.
In Australia, a similar progression will occur. Today, the ultra-right elite in England and Australia
are planning survival at the expense of the common man. These enclaves will gradually lose power,
if not overtaken and decimated by internal wars, with those among the commoners prevailing over
time in concert with the native Aborigines, who are mainly Service-to-Other oriented. Thus, a
traveler to Australia in future decades will find a delightful mix of Aborigines and those of
European or Asian descent, living in Service-to-Other communities.
In the Muslim countries which stretch out from India toward Africa, the descending cold will create
great loss of life. In the struggle for survival, the Muslim culture, in being male dominant and caring
little for the children among them and into warring lately, will decimate the groups further. In the
end, unless a group from this culture escapes, in essence, they will not survive. If Service-to-Other
oriented, they must separate from the main populace, which will end up with only a few men with
guns, the lone survivors. In that the land will support little, they will migrate toward more tropical
areas, and integrate. In the main, we expect those Muslim groups to end up in Africa, some decades
hence, a direction we have advised.
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ZetaTalk: Repressive Regimes
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Note: written May 15, 2002
When it becomes apparent to the hands of power in countries currently ruling with repression that violent earth
changes are close at hand, they will do more than simply suppress news of coming changes and seek a timely escape to
safe places for themselves, they will also prevent escape for their populace to the extent this disrupts their own plans.
The regimes likely to take these steps, and their responses and reasons for taking these steps, vary:
Indonesia
Indonesia has been much in the news in past years for its severe repression, to the point of brutal slaughter, of its
populace. East Timor has only recently won the right as a country, not in Indonesia to be free of utter brutality at
the hands of the Indonesian military. The rules of war, where a country to be invaded is treated as a combatant
and civilians treated under different rules than combatants were not even considered. Genocide, of the weak and
helpless first, was the rule. How will such a dictatorship, with such a military in command, react when it
becomes evident that Earth changes in keeping with our predictions are eminent? The wealthy and powerful will
have already lined up an escape to safer lands, or will already be there. As we have predicted this will be toward
Australia, to the degree that this country allows such immigration, and in that Australia is already putting up
blocks to immigration by the common man, it can be expected that a quid pro quo will be asked of the
Indonesian elite - you may enter, but only if you block the human tide expected to follow you. Thus, in
Indonesia, the populace will be locked from boats in the harbors, blocked from airports, and even blocked from escape into their highlands! The goal will be to not only prevent the populace from invading Australia, but to
create as massive a dieoff as possible, so that survivors do not go afloat in boats and land on the shores of
Australia as flotsam, afterwards. Soldiers unaware of what is coming can be expected to comply with these
orders, but when it becomes apparent, such as during the rotation stoppage, that they will be impacted likewise,
they will leave their posts and join the masses seeking escape of some kind.
Iraq
Currently under the brutal dictatorship of Saddam Hussain, well known for his tendencies to allow his entire
populace to suffer under starvation and preventable health problems in order to play cards that would lift his
stature even an inch, Iraq can expect more of the same as the time of the shift approaches. In that Iraq is
landlocked, no escape for the suffering populace is possible unless passage through another country is allowed.
Saddam will gauge his chances as the time gets near, and seeing the discombobulation in the leadership of other
countries, will attempt, we predict, to extend his dominion by inciting his starving populace to invade
neighboring countries. He is unlikely to move his palace, or migrate elsewhere where he personally would be
more vulnerable. When the shift hits, he like others will be stunned at the extent of damage, and being unable to
feed his militia, will find himself hiding, in his own country, pretending to be a commoner, and fearing
discovery by the majority of his populace, who would relish the opportunity for vengeance.
Chile
Noted for its brutal repression of democratic sentiment during the Pinochet era, where citizens were kidnapped
and tortured for the mere offense of thinking about fair play or appearing likely to even have such thoughts,
Chile has not made much progress in the intervening years. The military, the guilty, are still protected, forgiven
by a court system in sympathy with past oppression and new governance fearful of a return to these times when
the strong arm ruled without restraint. Many Nazi escaped to South America when WW II turned the tide for
them, and this tenor of elitism still reigns in the halls of power in there, though not openly expressed. One can
see the role Chile will play in Margaret Thacher’s forgiveness of Pinochet when he was captured while in
Europe for heath care. As we have mentioned, the elite in Britain plan to vacate their country, going to Australia,
prior to the shift, but a card that might be played is an exodus to Chile, and thus she was carefully retaining her
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options. These countries will find bridges and transportation broken utterly, after the shift, all on foot or
horseback and not able to travel far. Thus, the elite will soon find themselves starving, but unable to raid more
than the immediate area. This will create infighting, as we have described, with the strong and brutal toying with
and eliminating those who thought they were in power. Money will mean nothing, and threats of court action or
imprisonment for defying orders likewise meaningless. Thus, these pockets of elitism will become decimated,
going the way of thugs locked into interaction with each other, usually a short and brutal existence.
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ZetaTalk: Reddish Cross
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Note: written Dec 15, 2000. Planet X and the 12th Planet are one and the same.
Various analogies have been presented to explain the appearance of the 12th Planet in the skies in the weeks just ahead
of the shift. We have stated at the turn of the millennium that the 12th Planet appears smaller than Pluto, as it is more
distant though larger, and less bright as it is not reflecting the Sun’s light. We have also stated that the 12th Planet will
be visible to the common man some 7 weeks prior to the shift [Note: see 2003 Date explanation, although this 7 week prophecy may still be relevant], without the use of telescopes, and that the 12th Planet zooms through the solar system during that time,
from one side to the other, in 3 short months, a period of 12 weeks. Thus, it becomes visible when out on the outer
edge of the solar system, and will gain in size and brightness as it comes closer. Just what is it that the human eye will
see, then, during that 7 week approach?
While out in space, at a distance
that precludes much light from
reflecting sunlight, the 12th Planet
has a dim reddish glow, so small
that it can be assumed to be a
fading nova far, far away. As the
ancients have recorded, the 12th
Planet is visible as a cross in the skies, prior to it’s passage between the Sun and the Earth. Why a cross? Many stars
assume this shape, with light rays appearing to shoot in four directions, when the human eye gazes at them through the
haze of the atmosphere. Of course, the stars themselves do not have such an emanation, and it is the eye and the
atmosphere which controls this appearance. Suffice it to say, without elaborate explanation of this phenomenon, that
the 12th Planet, like stars or bright lights seen from afar, will take on a four-cornered appearance of a cross, a reddish
cross, in the sky. At first, this reddish cross will be a curiosity, to those not in the know about the coming passage. It
will be most visible at night, when not diluted by sunlight, and will have many explanations depending upon the
culture viewing it’s approach. A warning, a
sign, an approaching demon, an approaching angel, or, if the folk are
listening to scientists intent upon giving scientific explanations to null the alarm of the populace, all manner of
astronomical occurrences. But it grows larger, and brighter, weekly. Ah, but novas do likewise, so this will be the
explanation of choice among those distracting and placating a nervous populace. When it becomes apparent that there
is motion in this reddish cross, and novas do not move in the skies, there will be no comment from the scientific
establishment, but by then it will be almost too late for the public to react.
How large, and how bright, will the cross become? Not as large as the Moon, and also not as bright, as the Moon’s
brightness is reflected sunlight from an object very close to the Earth, and the 12th Planet will be some distance until the last days. It is the motion of this object that will most disturb those watching it carefully and thoughtfully, not its
size or brightness. This, combined with the almost violent reactions of the earth upon it’s approach. Volcanic activity,
earthquakes to the extent than almost constant tremors are experienced, and a heat upon the Earth quite outside of any
seasonal variation, will add to the sense that something terrible is upon the Earth, which it is!
Note: below added during the Mar 1, 2003 Live ZeatTalk IRC Session. Planet X and the 12th Planet are one and the same.
When a reddish complex is seen in the sky, during the 7 weeks before passage [Note: see 2003 Date explanation, although this 7
week prophecy may still be relevant] when this will be visible, mankind will be in the main distracted by so many problems
they will hardly notice. At first, they will assume this to be a comet or something innocent, as it will be small, barely
visible due to size. As it moves toward being visible in the daytime, when more are awake, or during the evening when
many relax in the moments before sleep, gazing at the sky, they will start to wonder. At this time, for the unaware,
there will have been increasing earthquakes, increasingly erratic weather such that all are wondering whether crops
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