by Nancy Lieder
ORION and they will know when the new world will come upon them.
I ask him, "What of the others there on earth during the change?"
Gabriel tells me that all will be lifted. Some will be lifted higher then others and no longer enjoy the
physical realm, while some will be left on the earth to replenish and rebuild the physical. They too will be
of a higher elevation then any that are living there now!
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ZetaTalk: Hercolubus
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ZetaTalk: Hercolubus
written Nov 2, 2006
How about Ramatis, Brazilian prophet, who wrote the book Mensajes del Astral where is described the
approach of an intruder planet into our solar system? [and from another] http://www.crawford2000.co.uk/
In 1950 a celebrated Brazilian medium named Hercilio Maes channeled a prophecy from his guide
Ramatis. Maes predicts that the earth's axis will change through ninety degrees due to the gravitational
pull of an enormous new planet which will enter our solar system soon. [and from another]
http://ufopi.freehomepage.com/ Ramatis delivered lectures to standing room only crowds through human
instruments like Brazil's Chico Xavier and Luis Muzio. Ramatis discussed the imminent destruction of
Earth by an orphan planet named Hercolubus, orbiting an invisible sun named Tila, whose trajectory
brought it through the solar system every 6,666 years.
We have lately been asked to address a prophet in China, Zhuge Liang, and a little known but genuine report of a NDE by one Lou Famoso. Both spoke of the coming pole shift and spiritual transformation of mankind. We mentioned that all cultures have such prophets, and in the current time, many contactees are given visions to relay, though not all
come through with their mission completed. In S. America, the primary prophecies relaying the coming pole shift have
been from an entity known as Ramatis, who used several channels, relaying the same message from each. All the
channels Ramatis used were sincere, with the message essentially being relayed unpolluted by the human vehicles.
That the message of a 90° shift, due to the passage of a large planet with a long orbital period, which orbits two Sun's,
one of which has never lit and thus is invisible, remarkably parallels our description of the orbit and passage of Planet
X. However, all channeled work suffers from the limitations of the human to relay the intended message, or confusion
among those hearing the message.
Hercolubus is interpreted to be as large or larger than Jupiter, but the intended impression was to be huge when
viewed from Earth, during the passage. Planet X indeed covers the Sun during the passage, particularly the writhing
dust cloud and moon swirls which reach out from Planet X for an extensive area. In trying to relay these details, this
impression, the channel or those recording the session took the Planet X complex to be a planet that large, thus
monstrous. Likewise the orbit period of 6,666 is confusion between the period approximating 3,600, or our estimate of
3,657 years, and the Biblical number 666 interpreted to be the mark of the Devil. If the channel was well versed in the
Bible, and the channels of Ramatis were, then any discussion of the End Times would bring up 666 as an important
number. Channeling is not using the channel as a typing machine, it is using the channel's education, understanding of
science, ability to entertain concepts, command of the language, and ability to formulate analogies or create scenario
descriptions with depth and detail. If the channel has no word to describe something the spirit wishes to relay, the
channel will wrap words about the concept as best it can. Thus, the possibility of distortion exists.
Bearing this in mind, these are valid prophecies, and should be carefully read with an open mind that looks for
similarities with other valid prophecies, rather than dwelling on the differences.
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ZetaTalk: Beatles
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ZetaTalk: Beatles
Note: written during the Aug 31, 2002 Live ZetaTalk IRC Session.
George Harrison was beloved, and many ached for him, due to his good work in the world, asking to lift his pain.
Many assume that he wanted to live. He did not. Cancer is a symptom of a desire to die, and he had a long bout with
this. However, he declined, wanting out, and his wishes of course prevailed. John Lennon likewise was aware of the
potential for assassination, and cared not. He was not viewed to be in a position of influence, requiring protection from the Council of Worlds, nor did he himself want this. Many who live as though casual about life, are in fact desiring a
quick end, though they do not so state this.
Note: Nancy's Aug 31, 2002 IRC Stumble explained.
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ZetaTalk: Celestine Prophecy
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ZetaTalk: Celestine Prophecy
Note: written on Dec 15, 1995
Amongst the messages from alien groups during the Awakening are many written as poetry, so that the humans who
are the intended audience will lend an ear, entranced. The Celestine Prophecy intended to impart a deeply spiritual
message, touching on the very essence of awareness of and caring for others. As entities, whom humans refer to as
spirits or souls, can communicate with or without physical bodies, the interaction of spirits in light form was
portrayed. The Celestine Prophecy should be read as the poetry it is, and not taken literally. If a man calls his beloved the light of his life, the beacon by which he is guided toward true love, one should not look for a headlight planted on
the beloved's forehead. Look to the underlying meaning, and listen with your heart.
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ZetaTalk: Way of Explorers
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ZetaTalk: Way of Explorers
Note: written on Apr 15, 1996
A difficulty facing those who would have the cover on the alien presence lifted is how to let the truth out with less than
a bang, how to say that formerly there were lies but today there is truth, how to avoid scrutiny for past lies and how to
do all this while protecting the egos and reputations of the dozens of individuals who might be affected. One means is
to have the messengers be popular and beloved, as the populace is then less prone to shoot the messenger. Another
means is to create a buffer, where those who are now ostensibly talking can remain anonymous. And yet another
means is to have the messenger be viewed as impeccable, a rock of integrity. The former astronauts, whom the pubic
has no doubt were silenced, are the perfect messengers. Thus recent efforts by the astronauts to get the truth out should be taken seriously.
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ZetaTalk: Far Journeys
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ZetaTalk: Far Journeys
Note: written on Jan 15, 1996
The author of the book Far Journeys is spinning fiction, as can be quickly demonstrated. His proposition is that aliens
who cannot themselves generate emotion can siphon this off from an emotional species. This is physiological
nonsense. If a species is not experiencing emotion themselve
s, lacking the pathways in the brain and the hormonal
stimulants, they cannot experience this vicariously. There are those who wish to alienate humans from any contact
with visitors from other worlds in order to retain control over humans society, but this author is doing so purely for the
profit motive. Fear sells books, as people are quicker to stay abreast of bad news than good, a fact to which any
newspaper operator will attest.
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ZetaTalk: Cosmic Voyage
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ZetaTalk: Cosmic Voyage
Note: written on Apr 15, 1996
Though well intended, the author of this book is receiving a mixture of correct and incorrect information, from alien
entities from both spiritual orientations. He is unable to sort this out and has shuffled all together into a hopeless
tangle. Where it may be true that aliens would like to use him as a communication vehicle, none of those sending him
messages is satisfied with the results! Therefore, unless he learns to discern and becomes a messenger for one group or
the other, he is likely to be abandoned. The tale about Mars and Martians is absurd, as Mars was never capable of
sustaining an intelligent species, and where Mars was indeed a temporary mining outpost for the giant hominoids from
the 12th Planet they were quarantined from Earth, not transplanted here. Since the book is a garble of truth and fiction,
however well written, we would not recommend it be read by any but the most discerning, and then taken with a grain
of salt.
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ZetaTalk: ET 101
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ZetaTalk: ET 101
Note: written on Jul 15, 1997
A very popular notion during this New Age period is the idea of being a Star Child. Anyone who feels less than special
can claim this status, and who's to say otherwise when incarnations cannot be deciphered on the outside - both home
grown and star wanderer spirits look the same when incarnated into a human body. However, where the vast majority
of those claiming Star Child status are bogus and well know it, a few are genuine. Such authors as Scott Mandelker
and Brad Steiger are among the few who are genuine Star Children, with a mission to assist mankind during the
Awakening by describing reincarnation in a fashion that many can relate to - less ethereal and more down-to-earth and
humorous, and filled with specific examples. In this, they have succeeded, and enjoy continuing success.
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ZetaTalk: Secret Vows
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ZetaTalk: Secret Vows
Note: written on Jan 15, 1996
During the Awakening, anyone browsing the rack at the book store where personal accounts of visitations are stacked
will find an increasing number of books written by those wanting to get in on the act. As with channeling, most of
these books have been and will continue to be without basis. Such a book is Secret Vows by the Twiggs. It is
unfortunate, during a time of rapid change when humans will soon find themselves dealing with geological upheavals,
crop failures, and the collapse of their social structure, that they cannot simply be exposed to truthful personal accounts regarding the alien presence. When so much denial and disinformation already exists, this only makes it more difficult
to sort it all out.
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ZetaTalk: Farsight Institute
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ZetaTalk: Farsight Institute
Note: written on Dec 15, 1996
The Farsight Institute is among the many supposedly private arms of the government disinformation campaigns.
Formed from the remnants of the CIA Remote Viewing project, the Farsight Institute is hardly a private
enterprise. The CIA has their slimly tentacles all over the group that runs the Farsight Institute, from instructors
to funding to those on the staff as supposedly psychic seers. Thus, any message emerging as a consensus from
the supposed psychics on staff can hardly be considered truthful. Does the CIA lie?
What verification does the public have that the Farsight Institute even has an impressive track record. Basically,
because the CIA implied that its forerunner was considered accurate enough to warrant funding. Does the CIA
lie?
The CIA was at the helm when the Brookings Report, which they commissioned, issued forth with dire warning
on how the public would react to knowledge of the alien presence. Now we hear from the Farsight Institute that
Hale-Bopp, which is a CIA fraud to divert attention from the 12th Planet, is being followed by an intelligently
driven object, which is yet another fraud. All this is to support the Hale-Bopp conspirators, buddies of the CIA.
Should we believe this psychic message? Does the CIA lie?
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ZetaTalk: Commander X
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ZetaTalk: Commander X
Note: written on Feb 15, 1996
Early in the disinformation campaigns put out by the government were attempts to make otherwise tenable situations
look absurd. One such tenable situation involved the Men-In-Black, whom many humans have encountered after
answering a knock at their door. As the Men-In-Black are residents of Earth, having been transplanted here, they have
not been bound by the same rules that visitors from other planets must adhere to, and thus encounters with the Men-
In-Black are remembered consciously. Appearing and disappearing without a trace, but without ships, the Men-In-
Black were perfect candidates in the minds of many for subterranean living.
As your government had itself begun to burrow, both for Alternative 2 and to setup facilities for aliens in the Service-
to-Self, with whom they had arrangements at that time, they didn't want the curious populace snooping around. To
discredit any discussion of subterranean living, they set out to make the premise absurd, which Commander X took on
as one of his missions. The hollow Earth premise is absurd, as anyone giving half a thought to what flows from active
volcanoes can conclude. What kind of living takes place in the midst of white hot lava?
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ZetaTalk: Phoenix Group
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ZetaTalk: Phoenix Group
Note: written on Dec 15, 1995
Where former members of the government, sworn to secrecy on the real alien presence, cannot talk about present or
past alien matters, their oath does not prevent them from fabricating stories such as the K-2 report from the Phoenix
group. Why would they bother? The trend within MJ12 has been to allow the truth to leak out, to educate the public
about the nature of the alien presence and the government's past actions. Some former members resent this posture,
and were more comfortable with the former mode of operation - warning the populace away from contact. Fabricating
stories is unlikely to prove embarrassing, as the real story is unlikel
y to be unveiled to stand in contradiction to the
fabrication.
To get to the truth of the matter, ask these questions. Why would these former members of intelligence operations be
allowed to undertake activities which are a breach of their security oath? Why would this group have more success
than all the other UFOlogy groups? Why would their findings stand at odds to the reports of contactees whose
genuineness can scarcely be doubted? Where the Phoenix group claims to be seeking the truth, they themselves could
scarcely stand scrutiny.
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ZetaTalk: Leading Edge
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ZetaTalk: Leading Edge
Note: written on Jul 15, 1997
Leading Edge fancies themselves as just that, but in fact they are trailing. Information garnered from others and
processed does not lead. Leadership requires insight or input, of which Leading Edge has little. Thus, their
recommendations and promotions should be treated as just another comment from a man on the street, as this is in fact
what it is.
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ZetaTalk: David Icke
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ZetaTalk: David Icke
Note: written on Feb 15, 2002
During the decades between Roswell and the present, the good aliens who had contacted MJ12 to counter the likes of
the Ominpotent Krlll persisted. Movies such as ET and Close Encounters have their basis in the growing perception that there were two types of aliens. However, there are those humans who could not sort this out, and continue to
believe that all aliens are the bad sort, and one should have their guard up against them all. A strong segment of the
military and CIA likewise benefit from this perception, as they would like to see the public cling to them for defense,