Allen: Okay, um,
Bly: All I know is Jason or Jes or Jessie something like that.
Allen: You had mentioned some other names, some locations that uh that they had these at. What where were some of the locations where they had some of these cult activities.
Bly: Well there's a barn behind Lakeshore, there's a house out on Nighway 50 North. Then there been Stonehenge.
Allen: The house out on highway 50, does somebody live there?
Bly: No sir, there ain't been nobody in that house in several years. It's a huge house, it's about a ten room house.
Allen: Okay, uh, what color is the house?
Bly: White, that's the reason we would use that chalk so when we got through we could sweep that chalk up instead of using paint like they did out there at Stonehenge.
Allen: Okay, now the barn that you used, are you now I'm familiar with the area out behind Lakeshore, there's a big fence in, there's a big fenced in Arkla, like a pump station.
Bly: No it's right before you get to it, just as soon as you cross that ditch on that wooden bridge, there's a barn right there an old red barn, it ain't very big.
Allen: Okay, it's a red barn you say.
Bly: Yes sir.
Allen: Now there's like two shop buildings out there is that what your talking about?
Bly: This is, they kept some equipment in it but it's not a shop, it's some kind of little old barn that they store equipment.
Allen: Is that barn usually locked up or?
Bly: Yes sir, we would use it, it's got a, uh roof coming off one side of it, where we get up there.
Allen: Okay, um, where was some other locations that they?
Bly: That's about it.
Allen: Now you mentioned...
Bly: Well that out there on Rich Road, there's a guy he had a shed out there behind his house.
Allen: Rich Road?
Bly: Yes sir, Rich Road North, I'll have to wait till my secretary gets back because I can't remember his name.
Allen: Can you describe this guy you said, how many people, would you all just go over to his house or?
Bly: No sir, uh, we hardly ever we..., we didn't go to his house about twice, while I was in it.
Allen: To Rich, To Rich road your talking about?
Bly: He didn't like having folks around like that.
Allen: Okay.
Bly: I know he would have more people out there, but he wouldn't let us young, you know let all the young one's come out there.
Allen: Okay, and were you like ask to get into this or did you just?
Bly: Yes sir, they asked did I want to get in to it. See how I come up meeting these boys I have ski boat, and um, you know I didn't mind folks going with me so we, I would take them skiing with me.
Allen: Did you ever take un, any of these boys that have been charged in this?
Bly: Yes sir, Misskelley.
Allen: Misskelley.
Bly: Yes sir, he.., he used to go down to Hernando Point with me skiing.
Allen: How long ago has this been?
Bly: Last year around May, between May and September.
Allen: Did he go on more than one occasion?
Bly: Yes sir, more than once, and you know, you know you just, you know, I don't know he we brought it up but I used to not believe in the Bible or the Lord, and he ask me if I was atheist and I told him yes and that's how I come about getting in it [the cult], he told me that Devil would give me more than God ever would.
Allen: Jessie Misskelley told you this?
Bly: Yes, sir.
Allen: Was there anything, at any of these, did you ever see any what you would call illegal activities going on at these, um?
Bly: Killing the dogs was illegal to start with because we would steal the dogs from people and um, that rape where they rape that girl out there I know that was illegal.
Allen: Okay, do you remember where..., did that occur at?
Bly: Stonehenge
Allen: How did that all come about? Can you kind of explain like you know where.
Bly: Well Misskelley came up with the idea of it and then Baldwin went along with it, Baldwin was the first one that raped her, which she kinda went alone with that but when the other guys started doing it she had a fit about it, said she would tell.
Allen: Was she, was she one of these members?
Bly: Yes sir, she was a member.
Allen: Okay.
Bly: I guess that's why she didn't tell.
Allen: Okay, you recall her name?
Bly: Not right off hand I can't.
Allen: Okay, do you recall.
Bly: I'm not sure if that's the name I gave you, I know that girl I gave is a member of the cult, but I don't remember if it's the same girl.
Allen: Okay, you gave me a minute ago, you gave me a girl named Christy.
Bly: Christy McNichols.
Allen: McNichols?
Bly: Yes sir
Allen: How old of girl is she?
Bly: 16
Allen: Okay, and where did this occur at?
Bly: Stonehenge.
Allen: Okay, your talking about Stonehenge where are you talking about there?
Bly: Down the road from the County Court House and stuff on that same road, right down on the right.
Allen: What's, what is it, what is this place what?
Bly: It's an old part of a gin or something that used to be there it's just the rock formation of it left there now.
Allen: Okay, say at any given, um, say any given what exactly from..., from start to finish, what exactly would..., would transpire at one of these?
Bly: Well of the first thing we would draw our pentagram out and then we would hang a dog upside down from these stones.
Allen: Okay, let me, now your talking about an incident that would occur maybe at Stone..., Stonehenge is that right?
Bly: Yes..., yes sir, that's the only place we sacrifice dogs at, we didn't do it behind.
Allen: Let me give you this yellow sheet right here, yellow sheet of paper here um, can you kinda draw out what you would, kinda draw out what you would, would write or your talking about the pentagram or whatever how exactly. Okay, now this would be put where now?
Bly: On the floor, right under where we hang the dog up.
Allen: Okay, you would hang the dog up above this?
Bly: We would hang the dog up above that, and then we would cut his throat the first thing, and we would catch the blood in a pail.
Allen: Okay.
Bly: And then we drink a cup full a piece of the blood and then we would cut his head off, then we would cut him open and cut his heart out.
Allen: What did you do then?
Bly: We would put the heart in the middle of this [pentagram] and pour alcohol on it and mixed with baby oil.
Allen: Excuse me someone came in, now you take alcohol you say?
Bly: Alcohol mixed with baby oil.
Allen: With baby oil?
Bly: Yes, sir.
Allen: and they would...
Bly: would put his heart, take, we had a pie pan that we would set in the center of this, which is the same thing I'm talking you know we got the blood in and then we would put the baby oil on the heart and you know burn it, it wouldn't burn it up but it would burn it, and then we would praise to the dev... Devil and stuff.
Allen: Okay, was there any certain saying or anything that you can?
Bly: Yes sir, but I can't remember them.
Allen: You can't remember them?
Bly: No, sir.
Allen: Okay
Bly: We read it out of a book that we got from...., from the library here.
Allen: Okay, when you were involved in this cult what..., what time period are we talking about you were involved in it?
Bly: Oh, it's for at least a full year.
Allen: Full year.
Bly: Last year.
Allen: How early on in last year?
Bly: Well, really more that year, I
was two years in it. Almost.
Allen: Okay.
Bly: Got out part of it last year.
Allen: How many people would you say would be involved in it?
Bly: 20
Allen: About 20 people
Bly: Yes sir, it was never less than eight.
Allen: Never less than eight.
Bly: Yes sir, it was from 8 to 20 there every time.
Allen: Was there any significance about how many people could be there as far as any religious thing that was?
Bly: No sir, from 1 to 50, it wouldn't make no difference just who ever came. We always had a certain time to meet out there during the week.
Allen: What time would you meet during the week?
Bly: Sunday.
Allen: I mean.
Bly: We always go on Sunday.
Allen: It would be on a Sunday.
Bly: Yes, sir.
Allen: Is there any certain time on Sunday that you would meet?
Bly: Yes sir, 6 o'clock.
Allen: 6 o'clock.
Bly: Yes, sir.
Allen: Did you ever know of any other days that um, thay had any kind little activities going on?
Bly: No, sir.
Allen: Okay.
Bly: If there was I was left out of it.
Allen: Okay, always on a Sunday?
Bly: Yes, sir.
Allen: At 6 o'clock at night.
Bly: 6 o'clock in the evening.
Allen: Was there any significance about the 6 o'clock time period?
Bly: Yes sir, it was in the book. That's what time you’re suppose to start.
Allen: At 6 o'clock.
Bly: Yes, sir.
Allen: Do you know, do you recall what this book look like or what the name of this book was?
Bly: Uh, it was the Devil something (inaudible) it was like five letter name on it. It would be easy to find in the library.
Allen: Do you know what color the book was?
Bly: Black, shiny black.
Allen: Was it shiny black?
Bly: Yes sir,
Allen: Did it have any type.
Bly: About a 100 page book.
Allen: Have any drawings or anything on the front cover of it?
Bly: Yes sir, it's got like a dragon, like a dragon with like a goats body.
Allen: Like a dragon with like a goats body?
Bly: Yes sir. It was St. Lucifer second son
Allen: It was what?
Bly: It was it was Satan on the front of it, that's who it was.
Allen: Now you were telling me earlier about...we were talking said something about, you ask me whether or not something about the boys that were killed.
Bly: If they was beat to death? Cause I know that's how he.
Allen: I can't answer that question
Bly: Well, I understand that, but that's the how we do the dogs, we beat them to death first.
Allen: What would you beat them to death with?
Bly: With sticks.
Allen: With sticks?
Bly: Yes, sir.
Allen: Were the dogs alive when they were brought out there?
Bly: Yes, sir.
Allen: And then they....
Bly: And they were alive when they we hung them up we would beat them to death over the top of the pentagram
Allen: Okay, with sticks.
Bly: Everybody would have to do it, everybody would eat them.
Allen: Okay, how was the dogs tied, you said you tied them up?
Bly: Tied them up by the hind legs.
Allen: Tied them up by the hind legs?
Bly: Yes, sir.
Allen: Okay, you said earlier that as far as you were asking whether or not the boys were beating, were beaten? How would you think that..., that they would have if some one say was in a cult of..., of this nature how would, how would you think they would have killed those boys?
Bly: They would beat them to death.
Allen: What else, anything else they would have done?
Bly: They would have raped them. Usually like I say I don't know why they didn't cut their heads off cause you suppose to, if you've done that your supposed to cut their heads off. We cut all the dogs heads off.
Allen: Cut the dogs heads off?
Bly: Yes sir, we would hang the head up and do away throw the body down in that big ditch down there by Stonehenge.
Allen: Okay, now the, any other body parts that they might cut off?
Bly: Their penis.
Allen: How would...
Bly: Bite it off...
Allen: They would bite the penis off?
Bly: Yes sir, that's what it reads in the book to do.
Allen: Now...
Bly: Devil circumcision.
Allen: It's called the Devil circumcision?
Bly: Yes, sir.
Allen: What did they, did they do this to dogs?
Bly: No, sir.
Allen: Uh?
Bly: Wasn't nobody, wasn't nobody get enough courage to do it to the dogs. We would cut, we would cut their penis off. But they wouldn’t bit off like you were supposed to.
Allen: Any..., any particular kind of knife that they would use in any kind of cult activity?
Bly: Well Misskelley always had the knife he carried on his side all the time, it's a hunters knife.
Dectective Allen and Clem Bly discuss the shape and style of the knife, then returned to the activities of the cult:
Bly: All the down, it's called a bleeder what it is, gut knife.
Allen: And Misskelley carried that knife?
Bly: Yes sir, he had it all the time on him.
Allen: These other 2 guys that you hinted were in this cult, Jason Baldwin um, did he have any part in this ceremony?
Bly: Oh yes sir, in all of them, all of us did.
Allen: Okay.
Bly: Everybody had to hit the dogs, everybody.
Allen: Everybody had to hit the dogs?
Bly: Yes, sir.
Allen: Was that just something that?
Bly: That's just part of the ritual.
Allen: Okay, this
Bly: If you didn't hit him you had to leave.
Allen: This guy here um, I'm looking at this the Commercial Appeal newspaper, Memphis Tennessee, Saturday morning June the 5th 1993, now you a minute ago pointed this person out as being the, the guy you know as Damien?
Bly: Damien, that's right I was saying Davien.
Allen: Damien, Damien, Damien.
Bly: Damien.
Allen: What part would he have in this part in this kind of ceremony?
Bly: Well we took turns, sometimes he would cut the heart out, sometimes I would, or Misskelley, or any of the other people, we all, we spread it out different during times ever who didn't do it the last time, would have to do it that time.
Allen: Okay, anybody you lived at 1900 E. Barton after you moved from Lakeshore is that correct?
Bly: Yes, sir.
Allen: Is there anybody over there in your, in the neighborhood that you moved into that was involved in any of this cult activities?
Bly: Yes sir, there's guy on south 14th.
Allen: Down on south 14th?
Bly: Yes, sir.
Allen: This white guy or black guy?
Bly: White guy.
Allen: That lives on south 14th?
Bly: Well it's on the south of Barton you know.
Allen: Okay, do you know what his name might have been?
Bly: Uh, it would take me a while to remember it I was married to my wife for months before I could remember her name.
Allen: Can you point out, say if we were just to drive by, could you point out where he lived?
Bly: Yes, sir.
Allen: The person your talking about?
Bly: Yes, sir.
Allen: How old the guy, the guy on south 14th?
Bly: he's about 30.
Allen: about 30 years old?
Bly: Yes, sir.
Allen: Anyone
else over in that area that you can also think of?
Bly: No sir, no sir, a lot, a lot of these people.
Allen: any younger kids?
Bly: No sir, not right off hand.
Allen: Okay, now you said that um, when I talked to you earlier that something about, um, that you, the 3 boys that were killed that..., that you lived not too far from them
Bly: I lived on the same block, which I call the same block, I live at 1900 and the other boys live right there on the corner, that little old blond headed boy did.
Allen: Okay.
Bly: Cause like I say, me and my kids were riding bike with them every evening, just about.
Allen: Okay, now your were, you were in jail during the time of these murders is that correct?
Bly: Oh, Yes sir.
Allen: Okay
Bly: Boy, I'm glad too.
Allen: Was there..., was there ever any talk about um, at any of these meetings, or...
Bly: Yes.
Allen: Activities was there any talk about any sacrificing kids or anything?
Bly: Yes sir, there was, yes sir.
Allen: What kind of talk?
Bly: They were trying to pick out, you know wanting to know who we could pick out to do it to, like I say which I was already leaving the cult anyway because they raped that girl.
This is about a month before the boys got killed.
Allen: Okay, this is when you left the cult?
Bly: Yes sir, it was about a month later and that's when they killed them boys.
Allen: Who do, do you recall, can you recall who, how many people were at a meeting that where anything was discussed about human sacrifices?
Bly: There was about 10 of us out there.
Allen: Can you recall any of the people that were at this particular meeting? Where was this meeting at?
Bly: Stonehenge.
Allen: Okay, who, what kind of a...
Bly: But that hate where they planned do it at, they were planning on sacrificing them up there on 50 at that house and leave them there.
Allen: Out there on 50?
Bly: Yes, sir.
Allen: Is that?
Bly: That's were they were going to do it if they....
Allen: Is 50 the highway that cuts off the interstate there and goes throughout Crawfordsville?
Bly: Yes sir.
Allen: How far up that road is that house your talking about?
Bly: A mile.
Allen: About a mile?
Bly: Yes, sir.
Allen: Is it on the right hand side of 50 or the left side?
Bly: The right side, on the right.
Allen: And it's a big white house.
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