ZetaTalk: Government

by Nancy Lieder

  the very least to afford an escape route for the privileged few who would have access to such an escape.

  With Apollo 13, those hoping to escape were given a firm message that such an avenue would not be possible.

  Nevertheless, the NASA logo points an incriminating finger at those who refused to give the general populace the

  knowledge they themselves held in privy, knowledge they still today withhold from the taxpayers who funded the

  Apollo flights.

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  ZetaTalk: Apollo 13

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  ZetaTalk: Apollo 13

  Note: written on May 15, 1996

  At the inception of the Apollo program, the secret government had a dual mission - to withhold knowledge of the alien

  presence from the general public and to arrange for an escape from the coming millennium cataclysms for the elite.

  At the inception of the Apollo program, the elite of the secret government were looking to several different

  means of dealing with the coming cataclysms - Alternatives 1, 2 and 3. Alternative 1 was to reduce

  overpopulation and sculpt the face of mankind to their liking, Alternative 2 was to burrow into subterranean

  cavities, and Alternative 3 was to establish space stations on other planets. Alternative 3, as we have explained,

  proved unworkable, and Alternative 2 thereafter became the main focus. It is no longer a secret that opulent

  underground escape hatches, complete with golf courses, were constructed for the elite.

  Where the Service-to-Self aliens in early contact with the secret government encouraged such self-serving

  behavior, the Service-to-Other aliens that followed explained, and demonstrated in a number of ways such as

  massive power outages, that an escape of the elite to other planets in the solar system would not be allowed due

  to the quarantine that mankind had been placed under. Thus, though the Apollo space program had been

  enthusiastically started, it soon fell into disfavor, and the fact that it was at odds with the mission to suppress

  knowledge of the alien presence soon took precedence.

  As a result of certain studies which the government solicited, there was early on in the secret government a

  decision not to reveal to the populace any material that would lead one to conclude that man was not alone.

  There were a number of such studies, all reaching the same conclusion as the studies had all been instituted from

  the same focal point in the secret government, and they relayed the conclusion that was expected. In essence, the

  message to those conducting the study was - here's what I want you to conclude, now go figure out how to say

  it.

  This secrecy mandate put the Apollo Moon missions at odds with one of the missions of the secret government,

  which in those days was heavily influenced by the CIA. The US space program thus came steadily under the

  control of the intelligence agencies, and to this day are more prone to issue disinformation than perform

  scientific advancement. It is no secret that the US space program fell apart, and is today a sham of its former

  self. To abort the enthusiastic Moon missions, which were often being watched live by the public, the CIA threw

  a wrench in the works. Apollo 13 was a distressed mission due solely to sabotage, and this sabotage was

  rewarded. The Moon missions were stopped.

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  ZetaTalk: NASA

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  ZetaTalk: NASA

  Note: written on Nov 15, 1995

  Why does NASA, a supposedly independent organization, cooperate with MJ12 by failing to scrutinize the surface of

  Mars and the Moon, or at least failing to allow the American public to so scrutinize? NASA is not the same as MJ12.

  NASA is a separate entity. They of course are influenced by MJ12 who has members within the NASA hierarchy, but

  they function, just as the Post Office does, as separate from MJ12. But are they not a servant of the taxpayer,

  supported by American tax dollars as they are?

  The myth that government is accountable to the people is disproved daily in the news, and organizations under contract

  to the government have even less accountability. Think of NASA as you do your neighbor or grocer. They try not to

  break the law or get caught at it when they do, but beyond that how they lead their lives has nothing to do with you.

  You, the taxpayer, are to be ignored and manipulated for their comfort and convenience. They worry not about you

  because you must pay your taxes and they have their hand firmly in the till. With this in mind, why would they lie?

  Where NASA may not be accountable to the people, they are accountable to the Pentagon and the dollars it controls.

  Money talks. MJ12 is dominated by the military, a fact established from its inception. The same top military leaders

  that dominate MJ12 also dominate the Pentagon and its budget process. End of story.

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  ZetaTalk: Silenced Astronauts

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  ZetaTalk: Silenced Astronauts

  Note: written on Apr 15, 1996

  The world watched in rapt attention during the first Apollo Moon landing - a first for mankind. The comments made by

  the astonished astronauts, who noted signs that they were not the first visitors to the Moon, have generated all manner

  of speculation. What did they see? From the Earth, the surface of the Moon looks placid, unwashed by water and

  without an atmosphere, nothing moves on the pock marked surface. Up close, however, one would discover dust

  covered litter and tracks left by vehicles, unmistakable signs that mankind was not the first. Machinery parts, collapsed

  structures, tie lines, and even a wheel or two here and there, covered by space dust that never washes away, these items

  look no different from Earth than the dust covered rocks and craters. Were the astronauts silenced? Without a doubt,

  with the ultimate threats used and on occasion carried out in those days - death, in a manner that is undetectable as an

  execution. Those with high security clearances know these are not idle threats, as they have seen them enforced or

  learn of these instances, and thus take them quite seriously.

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  ZetaTalk: NASA Wars

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  ZetaTalk: NASA Wars

  Note: written on Jul 15, 1997

  NASA has been a traditional stronghold advocating the right of the elite to privileged information, and many at the top

  of this organization are reluctant to see this focus change. As members of MJ12, they are frequently active CIA agents,

  and thus these top executives play a dual role with allegiance to both organizations. Where the CIA dominated MJ12

  in the early days, MJ12 has been increasingly casting aside this influence to the extent that CIA agents within MJ12

  are almost excluded from decision making and their dual allegiance is considered a handicap rather than an asset.

  Under orders to follow recent changes in policy designed to promote the Awakening, hardened advocates of the old

  line have dragged their feet and frankly operated in an subordinate manner.

  What should be remembered in these matters is that membership in MJ12 always involv
es an agreement by the

  member to grant MJ12 the Right to Terminate the member should this be considered necessary. This was, of course, a

  casual agreement by CIA members in the past, who looked at the general operating mode, almost exclusively under

  CIA influence, and thought themselves quite safe. Where this termination clause is thought to cover leaks, the

  suppression of information, it also covers refusal to follow direct orders from the MJ12 ruling boards. Passive

  resistance is often overlooked, unless the individual is in a position within society such that they and only they can

  implement an MJ12 order. In these matters, refusal to cooperate can become critical, and termination might be the

  result for refusal to play an activist role.

  Such was the case going into the 1997 Mars mission, where a probe was committed to examine plateaus on Mars long

  claimed to hold a Sphinx-like head distinctively hominoid in appearance. Severely repressed in the past, shots from

  various angle could excite discussion like no other object, as the face would be reveals undeniably as an artifact, not a

  natural formation appearing to be a face only a certain angles create shadows giving this illusion. The cooperation of

  NASA was imperative on this MJ12 mission, and critical points could be missed unrecoverable if absolutely

  cooperation was not assured.

  The 1997 Mar's Pathfinder probe, under the direction of Jurgen Rahe, had to have a

  cooperative hand at the helm or face failure, in the view of MJ12, and thus after relentless

  arguments with a man adamantly opposed to the new MJ12 policies, his termination was

  arranged. This was not a decision arrived at casually, nor was it a quick decision. A

  determination that a compromise was not possible, and that Rahe could not be removed from

  his post in a timely manner, were factors in the decision. Highly visible operations such as

  NASA probes do not allow wiggle room, and a displaced executive was sure to be

  interviewed or endlessly hounded for comments. Such exposure, and the risk an angry Rahe

  posed, were also factors in the decision. A competent and highly reluctant executive could not

  be casually displaced, but a death by an accident seemingly caused by mother nature could be

  arranged, and was deemed the less of two evils.

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  ZetaTalk: Moon Landing

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  ZetaTalk: Moon Landing

  Note: written on May 15, 2002

  A hot topic on the Internet and among conspiracy buffs is whether man ever indeed landed on the Moon, or all the

  evidence provided to mankind is faked. As evidence of a fake is apparent wind blowing a flag, dust raised by landing

  feet blowing about as though air were present to move it, shadows inappropriate for the Moon, and other evidence of

  atmosphere or staging. Did man go to the Moon? Absolutely. Were dramatizations done in film theaters? Absolutely.

  both occurred, and here's why.

  As is often reported, the early Moon landings involved startled astronauts making statements on live feed about "we

  were not the first" and the like. Likewise, live video feed showed trash on the Moon giving evidence that activity had

  occurred in the past, and perhaps the recent past. Evidence of awareness of the alien presence, or other information not

  given to the general public, can often be discerned from what is not said as much as what is said. Why the 3 month

  delay in reporting, by different media organizations, if approval to report was not a part of the process? Likewise, the

  astronauts were on a need-to-know basis, as they were expected to be mobbed if they succeeded and went on the

  lecture tour, often interviewed and the like, and slips were to be avoided by telling them as little as possible. Thus, they

  were genuinely startled by what they found on the Moon, and their handlers in Houston were unaware of the degree of

  evidence they would in fact find on the Moon. Oops! What to do? Lets just film some new footage, and release that,

  instead.

  NASA was aware that there were alien enclaves on the dark side of the Moon, but unaware of the trash on the visible

  side. During early genetic engineering projects, the engineers often used the Moon as a lab, fearing and wishing to

  avoid the large carnivores on Earth. During these genetic engineering episodes, they would scarcely be hiding on the

  dark side of the Moon! Why hide? The aliens talking to NASA going into the Apollo missions were Service-to-Self,

  part of Alternative 2, to set up camps off Earth as a survival means during the coming pole shift. They were on the dark

  side as Service-to-Self aliens do not do density shifting well, ala the movie The Fly, and their masters do not allow

  their minions to shift during missions, for this reason. Thus, they are in 3rd Density, highly visible from Earth should

  they not be on the dark side of the Moon. NASA expected this, but discussion on past genetic engineering projects,

  which were not done by the Service-to-Self, never came up!

  The astronauts were read the riot act when they returned, having blabbered their first impressions on the Moon. It has

  been obvious to those looking at the pattern that prior to this live feeds were the norm, and after delayed and only

  partial release of video and audio was allowed. When a heavy job of intimidation is done, with death threats and worse

  than death threats, it takes a lot to release this. Beat a dog each hour, viciously, for months, and then try to tell it that

  was all in the past. The dog has lost trust, cowers, growls, avoids, and will likely never trust humans again most

  certainly if not in the same company. NASA has not changed hands, is still the same agency, infiltrated by CIA, and

  thus the astronauts, as their beaten dogs, are loath to trust.

  Note: Below added during Nov 16, 2002 Live ZetaTalk IRC Session.

  NASA of late has been dealing with its many failures, its inability to get a space station operational in time to stage

  escape to Mars, and the months upon months of delays getting any shuttles up at all. Wanting to be a player, perhaps

  be viewed as important by the elite with money and bunkers and guns, they hope to be influential in the public eye.

  They have for years denied the public direct Hubble images, been caught endlessly air brushing out UFO's, and are

  suspected all around the world of a conspiracy regarding the Moon landing itself. Well of course they went to the

  Moon, and landed, but they also filmed footage on Earth to fill in, as they could not trust their own men to avoid

  blurting out the truth. Now, covered with the lint of decades of lies and deception, and the increasing pool of specific

  information on just when and how they have lied, they come forth declaring themselves clean. Why did they

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  ZetaTalk: Moon Landing

  announced new information regarding the Moon Landing, and then withdraw? There was a final rehearsal, and all the

  many glitches that would only inflame the conspiracy theorists were discovered. This pig is too dirty to ever clean up, and the less they say, the better, was the decision.

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  ZetaTalk: International Cooperation

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  ZetaTalk: International Cooperation

  Note: written on Nov 15, 1995

  MJ12 has a reach that goes beyond US bord
ers and in essence makes MJ12 operations international. This is due

  primarily to a like mind set regarding the dangers of public panic, a threat which all governments intrinsically abhor.

  Where there is a very small minority of corporate leaders who are aware of the potential for a pole shift, as this is a

  very closely held secret, the rest of them, through being golfing buddies or having a glass of wine or scotch in their

  elite resorts together, hear talk. Such exposure as the Bohemian Club on the West Coast of the US is an example of

  how these elite multinationals rub elbows with politicians and world leaders and hear innuendo, hints, eyebrow lifting.

  If one cannot communicate, as one is barred from this, one can communicate through body language, a hint that

  something is around the corner. International cooperation thus happens naturally, emerging from any first meeting on

  these issues, and can be counted on to be solid and unwavering.

  The goal is to keep the masses quiescent, at least until the last minute, especially since the governments of the world

  don't know what to do about the issues presented by the alien presence and the pending pole shift, and in most cases

  are unable to carry out any plans or actualize any hopes they may have. Can't make it go away, can't influence the

  outcome, can't politic into the inside track, so let's just not talk about it. In this way life goes on as before, with the

  establishment on top and loving every minute of it. In the past such tactics as suppression of media coverage on

  sightings was automatic, and for those who doubt that the media worldwide could be so suppressed we would point to

  the close link between governments or corporate interests and the media. The media dances to the piper, who in many

  cases frankly owns the media, both morally and financially.

  In like manner this international cooperation will take a turn toward revelation, as the establishment has come to view

  this as the lesser of two evils. Since they cannot make the alien presence or the pending pole shift go away, they must