Qur'an And Science in Depth_This book go in deep study about the Qur'an and Science investigating the truthful of facts or claims.
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Sahih Al-Bukhari, Book 60, Hadith 159 Stated by Abu Huraira: Allah’s Messenger revealed “The Judgment time will not be demonstrated until the sun rises from the west: and when the people see it, then whoever will be living on the face of the earth will have the belief, but that is the time when believe will do no good to a soul which believe after that if it believed not previously”. Chapter Al-An'am (6.158)
So its clear that if we accept Mr. Harun’s claim, we have to reject Muhammad’s words as one of them is false! If you’d ask me which one is false I would say both. One is trying to make himself a prophet with fairy tales and the other is trying to make Muhammad a prophet by making false interpretations of the Qur’an.
4. As we saw in the past hadith, the end of time has no Crunch but the sun will come from the west!
5. And that again exposes Muhammad as a false prophet. The sun’s change of direction makes it appear like it moved from the western side of the earth but that is absolutely false science and foolish. The rotation of the earth in its axis causes us to think that the sun rises from the east and sets in the West, but the fact is that the sun is going nowhere. The seeming movement of the sun is because of the earth’s rotation which is what is scientific and true.
6. As long as Mr. Harun acknowledges science as true, he better believe science and not his prophet’s unreal stories.
7. If you look at Mr. Harun's claim, he used the Big Crunch Theory. I wonder what he would say if we have scientific proof that this theory is wrong? Would he say that the Qur’an is wrong or that he (Harun) is wrong?
8. Let us read together what the Bible says about the end times and try to figure out if what it claimed thousands of years ago fits with the facts of the universe:
2 Peter 3:9-13 – KJV 9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is long suffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
10But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with
fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 1 1 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
1. As you see, it's in the Bible. It's saying that all will pass away and that nothing will exist. No heaven or earth. There will be a new heaven and a new earth. Even the Messiah himself said the same thing when in:
Matthew 24:29 - KJV
Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Matthew 24:35 - KJV
Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
The Bible also gives us more details in:
Matthew 24:31 - KJV And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
And you will see the Qur’an copies the Bible scriptures. It's the same in: Qur’an 78:18
The Day that the Trumpet shall be sound, and ye shall come forth in waves of crowds;
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Muslims’ claim
CREATION FROM HOT SMOKE
http://www.miraclesoftheQur’an.com/scientific_04.html
Allah created everything from hot smoke.
End of claim
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My answer
Now the Muslims agree that when the earth was finished being created, the universe was nothing but smoke! The fabrication easy to expose a few pages before we saw the claim of Big Crunch theory, or the Sun will expire and he used this verse with his own translation.
If we read carefully what Mr. Harun himself quoted from his Qur’an :
Qur’an 21:104
“That Day, We will fold up heaven like folding up the pages of a book. As We originated the first creation so We will regenerate it. It is a promise binding on Us. That is what We will do. ”
The world started by big-bang and will end with big-bang? 1. This means in clear words from his god himself, that at the end of the time, Allah will deal with the universe in the same manner when he created the sky. The sky means the space, planets, stars and all other elements in the universe.
2. As long Muslims claim that the big-bang is the start of the universe and they claim that Qur'an speak about (the big-bang) that mean the end of the time should be end with big-bang as the Qur'an statements “That Day, We will fold up heaven like folding up the pages of a book. As We originated the first creation so We will regenerate it.”
3. So folding up the book is the big-bang? I think again Muslims thought we will not read both or connect both and expose the lie.!
4. He said: "Let us note that only in the 20th century have scientists discovered that the universe emerged from a hot gas in the form of smoke.” Does the verse say that the earth emerged from smoke or that Allah created it in six days? It says earth was created first while the the sky was a smoke as we will read in Qur'an 2:29.
5. With that being said, how can Muslims explain the creation of the earth when the universe was not even formed yet nor anything was in existence? And I quote from Mr. Harun, “He placed firmly embedded mountains on it, towering over it, and blessed it and measured out its nourishment in it, laid out for those who seek it-all in four days. Then He turned to heaven when it was smoke and said, to it and to the earth, "Come willingly or unwillingly." They both said, "We come willingly." (Qur’an, 41:10-11)”
6. The earth was made in 4 days? Is that what bigbang says?, I do not believe in the big-bang but now Muslims in trouble for accepting it.
7. One day for Allah is equivalent of 1000 year of our time, so four days = 4000 years our time, Qur'an 32:5 “will go up to Him, in one Day, the space whereof is a thousand years of your reckoning”
8. So the Earth was made first with all substance and the Sky was still smoke? But this is against the what science claim, I will quote from a science site:
9. ”As a scientist, how would you explain how the Earth was created after the Big Bang occurred? Where did animals, plants the human race come from?
10. Answer 1:The creation of the universe took place about 15 billion years ago!!! See the Scienceline web site for more on that.
11. The EARTH formed the same time the sun formed, about 4.5 billion years ago (4.5 Gyear) the big G stands for giga which means multiple what follows b y 1 , 0 0 0 , 0 0 0 , 0 0 0 . = 1 b i l l i o n . http://scienceline.ucsb.edu/getkey.php?key=3164
12.Is saying that “The Big Bang is a theory that has been proven with scientific evidence” true? 13. Does that mean Allah created the earth from GAS? This would means that the Qur’an is wrong in another verse:
Qur’an 2:29
It is He Who hath created for you all things that are on the earth; then he turned up, to heaven, and he made it seven heavens, he is all knowing and wise.
According to this verse, the earth was formed as the only object in this universe before any stars or anything else same as in (Qur’an, 41:10-11). This does not make any sense. I will show you how we can refute Mr. Harun Yahya through his own posts and words. He said, to quote:
“This information given in the Qur’an is in full agreement with the findings of contemporary science. The conclusion that astrophysics has reached today is that the entire universe, together with the dimensions of matter and time, came into existence as a result of a great explosion that occurred in no time. This event, known
as "The Big Bang" proved that the universe was created from nothingness as the result of the explosion of a single point. Modern scientific circles are in agreement that the Big Bang is the only rational and provable explanation of the beginning of the universe and of how the universe came into being.”
End of quotation.
1. Go back to page 65 and read the verse posted and translated by Mr Harun in his claim about The Big Crunch theory. He himself said:
“That Day We will fold up heaven like folding up the pages of a book. As We originated the first creation so We will regenerate it. It is a promise binding on Us. That is what We will do.” (Qur’an 21:104).
This verse indicates that Allah created the heaven as “like folding up the pages of a book” and “As We originated the first creation.” This is again against the Big Bang theory because Allah here made it as folding pages, page after page, which means that pages already existed. It’s just about unfolding them, not creating them, while the Big Bang theory claims that space was created simultaneously.
2. He is agreeing with the Big Bang! He agreed that time and matter did not exist and then things formed based on a big explosion! But this would mean that the earth was formed long before the explosion. Why do I say so?
3. Look at the verse and tell me how was the earth able to get any form that fast when everything else was paused? Does the Big Bang theory agree that the earth was formed this way or is it the Muslims scientific special education created by Mr. Harun Yahya?
Qur’an 2:29
He it is Who created for you all that is in the earth. Note this is Muhammad pickthal.
Then turned He to the heaven, and fashioned it as
seven heavens. And He is knower of all things. Note this is Muhammad pickthal.
4. Add to that, the Qur’an says in 41:9: Say: do you really deny Him Who created the earth in two Days? And make yourselves equal with Him? He is the Lord of two Worlds. (Qur’an 41:9)
And I quote from Mr. Harun the translated verse which he based his argument on:
“He placed firmly embedded mountains on it, towering over it, and blessed it and measured out its nourishment in it, laid
out for those who seek it-all in four days. ThenHe turned
to heaven when it was smoke and said, to it and to the earth, "Come willingly or unwillingly." They both said, "We come willingly." (Qur’an, 41:10-11)”
The earth, in creation, was formed in two days, and the verse after that says Allah spent four other days creating the earth's substances. This would mean that the earth was formed billions
of years before the sky even had any stars. “four days.Then
He turned to heaven when it was smoke” So the earth was created first and then after it is finished the SKY was a smoke still.
Where did we get the “billions”? Let us see how Mr. Harun shot himself in the foot! Read the coming claim.
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Muslims’ claim
9CREATION IN SIX DAYS
www.harunyahya.com/miracles_of_the_Qur’an_p1_05.php#3 Your Lord is Allah, Who created the heavens and the earth in six days and then settled Himself firmly on the Throne... (Qur’an, 7:54)
When a six-day period of time is calculated according to the relativity of time, it equates to six million million (six trillion) days. That is because universal time flows a million times faster than time on earth. Calculated in terms of years, 6 trillion days equates to approximately 16.427 billion years. This is within the estimated range for the age of the universe.
6,000,000,000,000 days/365.25 = 16.427104723 billion years
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My answer Let us quote from Mr. Harun’s words: “When a six-day period of time is calculated according to the relativity of time.” What he is saying is that he made the calculation and that calculation is based on the relativity of time. He came with a number which is 6 trillion days. How he got this number I have no idea. It just proves he is making things up as the following:
Qur'an 9:36
“The number of months in the sight of Allah is twelve (one year),so ordained by Him the day He created the heavens and the earth”
This is mean:
Time never changed since Allah (created) the earth. 1. And He even use same lunar calendar used by Muslims today.
2. All created at the same time day, “ordained by Him the day He created the heavens and the earth”
That is more than enough to destroy the fabrication,but for the sake of learning let go for more.
It's very clear that Mr. Harun forgot about his other claim which we did answer in The Deception of Allah, Volume1. He said the following chapters and verses about the relativity of time: “A day with your Lord is equivalent to a thousand years in the way you count. (Qur’an 22:47)”.
“He directs the whole affair from heaven to earth. Then it will again ascend to Him on a Day whose length is a thousand years by the way you measure. (Qur'an, 32:5)”
“The angels and the Spirit ascend to Him in a day whose length is fifty thousand years. (Qur'an, 70:4)”
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_32.html So at that claim it was, ONE day of Allah = 1000 Year but now because he now he come with new fabrication, the Day became equal to 2.666666666666667 billions years????
So as long he agreed that the day of god Allah is equal to 1000 years of our count, let us do the math. 1day for Allah=1000 year
which is exactly the equal day of Allah but we noticed in this claim that Mr. Harun made his god’s one day equate to 1 trillion.
Then he claimed that six days is equals to 6 trillion days which means each day for Allah is equal to 1 trillion day.
1day = 1 trillion days
But again he never thought that we would read both of his claims and exposes his falsehood. Even though we’ve answered and exposed this false miracle, I would like to share with you more information that shows confusion in Islam and the Muslim’s understanding of the words of their god.
I did speak in The Deception of Allah Volume 1 , pages 241/242: ريسفت Tanwîr al-Miqbâs min Tafsîr Ibn ‘Abbâs, Qur’an 41:9
Click here “Certain in Him Who created the earth in two Days each day the similar and equal to 1,000 days of the days which you count: Sunday, Monday, etc.,”
And mankind is ever impetuous Salman Al-Farisi and Ibn Abbas referred to the story of Adam, whilst he wanted to get up before his soul arrived at his feet. While his soul was breathed into him, it entered his body starting from his head downwards to his feet. At the same time, as it arrived at his brain, he sneezed, so Adam said, "Al-Hamdu Lil-Lah'' praise be to Allah, and Allah responded "May your Lord shower blessing onto you, Adam.'' while the spirit reached his eyes, he opened them, and when it reached his body main parts and limbs, he started to look at them in amazement, He wanted to get up before it reached his feet, but he could not. He said, "O Lord, hurry up and finish me before night comes.''
http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?
option=com_content&task=view&id=2850&Itemid=72
Adam is saying, “finish me before the night comes” (sunset). 1) Now this story is good for children.
2) How did Adam know Allah's name when he is in the stage of creation?
3) How did he know about the sunset or how soon the night would come? When was his first day on earth?
4) If it's about billions of years, then what does “finish me before the night comes” mean?
Qur’an 7:54
Tafsir Al-Jalalayn, translation Feras Hamza: “Surely your Lord is God, Who created the heavens and the earth in six days, of the days of this world, that is to say, in the equivalent thereof, since there was no sun then. Had He willed He could have created them in an instant; but the reason for His not having done so is that He wanted to teach His creatures to be circumspect; then presided upon the Throne,”
As you see for yourself, this is not eve
n our translation or explanation. There was no sun but there were creatures, “He wanted to teach His creatures to be circumspect”.
1. “Who created the heavens and the earth in six days, of the days of this world” Qur’an 7:54 Tafsir al-Jalalayn, transl. of Feras Hamza. So these days are the same as today’s, not billions of years!
2. “He wanted to teach His creatures t o b e circumspect”. How did the trees, the animals and Adam live for billions of years when the sky was in smoke and there was no sun? How many billions of years did Adam live before the sun was created?
The following narration is an approved hadith that gives an account of the creation of the world, referenced from Sahih Muslim, Vol. 4, p. 2150 {Arabic}:
Abu Huraira reported: The Prophet of Allah told me, “Allah created the soil on Saturday, and He created the mountains on Sunday, and He created the trees on Monday, and He created the bad things on Tuesday and He created the light on Wednesday and He created the the walking animals on Thursday and He created Adam on Friday afternoon. He was the last created during the last hour of Friday, between afternoon and night.
This correct hadith is approved in the following hadiths: Al-Alabany, Vol. 4, Hadith 1833
Book of Al-Mishkat, Hadith 5735
Book of Mukhtasar Al-’Olu Al-Zahbi, Hadith 73 Book of ‘Qism Al-Mustfrak, p. 664
For the English translation by Muslims, go to: Click here
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http://tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=7&tid=17982
The same story can be found in Tafsir Ibn Kathir, Vol. 7, p. 168, published by 'Tiba publishing company:
http://islamport.com/d/1/tfs/1/27/1244.html
According to the Qur’an, Allah created the earth in six days. However, we just read in the above quote from Sahih Muslim that He began on Saturday and finished the job on Friday, totaling seven days of creation. Still, we find the six-day creation of the earth affirmed by numerous verses in the Qur’an, such as Surah 7:54, 10:3, 11:7, 25:59, 32:4, 50:38, and 57:4.
Let’s examine the account in: